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<H1>Re: xsane as root</H1>
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<STRONG>From:</STRONG> Johan Eriksson (<A HREF="mailto:ei99erjo@chl.chalmers.se?Subject=Re:%20xsane%20as%20root&In-Reply-To=<20000227032426.B214@kaviar>"><EM>ei99erjo@chl.chalmers.se</EM></A>)<BR>
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<STRONG>Date:</STRONG> Sat Feb 26 2000 - 18:24:26 PST
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:40:06 root wrote:
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<EM>> Oliver:
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<EM>>
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<EM>> A thought on the "xsane as root" business: If you are going to try and
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<EM>> restrict people's use of "root" for xsane because it is too dangerous,
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<EM>> then don't you think you should try to convince everyone who writes
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<EM>> software for Linux to follow the same philosophy? Think about such
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<EM>> things as file managers and tell me that they aren't more dangerous than
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<EM>> a (potentially) defective scanner program. If you are concerned about
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<EM>> someone giving you are hard time over some lost files, then I suggest
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<EM>> you consider a couple of facts: 1. every one who uses xsane at this
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<EM>> stage is aware of the fact that it still in development and 2. How can
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<EM>> you be held responsible the side effects of a program that you are
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<EM>> giving away for free? I personally see more danger in such commands as
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<EM>> rm than in xsane. I truly don't think that you can convince the whole
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</EM><BR>
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<EM>> Linux community to adopt your idea. Do you really want to be the odd
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<EM>> one out and try to force people around to your unconventional idea? I
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<EM>> am currently doing EVERYTHING on my system as root. This is for the
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<EM>> simple reason that I am new to Linux and have some odd hardware in my
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</EM><BR>
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<EM>> system. Until (and if) all the hardware works and I know that I can use
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<EM>> Linux for all my computing needs, I see no need to dive into the
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<EM>> intricacies of user administration. The last thing I need at this stage
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<EM>> is doubts about whether or not I really have the system priveleges I
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</EM><BR>
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<EM>> need. Question: How do I tell the difference between something not
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<EM>> working because I haven't the right permissions and not working because
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</EM><BR>
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<EM>> of a driver or installation problem? Answer: As a novice, only with
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<EM>> great difficulty. When I know that my hardware is running and I have no
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<EM>> doubts, then I can start setting up user accounts and fighting
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<EM>> permissions and priveleges. I know that running as root has its dangers
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<EM>> - but please also consider that I have spent YEARS using MS-DOS based
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<EM>> systems that had absolutely NO security features at all and so am used
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<EM>> to being careful with the commands I give and, yes, even recovering when
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<EM>> I do make a mistake. I would therefore thank you very kindly to refrain
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<EM>> from any user ID shenanigans ("spielereien" f<>r Deutsch sprechende
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<EM>> leute.)
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<EM>>
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<EM>> Respectfully,
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<EM>>
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<EM>> Joseph R. Eoff
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<EM>> Enthusiastic new Linux user
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<EM>> (Begeisterte neue Linux Benutzer)
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<EM>>
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<P>I think that this discution might be a little off-topic, but I just had
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to answer.. I'm just a regular linux-user, but I have never ever thought
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about using the super-user account as a login-account. And I can't
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imagine why anyone would want to. Ok, I use 'su root' a lot of times /
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day, when managing files and adding modules for the kernel.
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<P>I use the Mustek 600 II N -scanner, which comes with it's own
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"parallell-card", which must be accessed by root. I configurated sane
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with inet.d, so I wont have to be root to run the frontend xsane, and so
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I don't have to be root to scan images, which I find very satisfying.
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<P>I don't think that root should not be able to run xsane, but why would
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anyone want to run it that way?..
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<P>You said that it may be difficult to know if you don't have permissions
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to run a software or access certain files. You almost everytime get a
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message to std_err, saying: "You don't have the permissions", or "You
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have to be super-user to run this program" whenever super-user
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permissions is needed.
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<P>Anyway.. I do not know much about this, but I heard on television a few
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weeks ago that some russians (I think) talked about linux OS, and
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viruses. The viruses themselves of cause has to be run by root to be
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activated.. so..
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<P>Of cause I understand your point, that a system that is beeing used by
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only one user has no need for another user then the super-user, and I
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partly agree, but then again.. me myself really got rid of windows once
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and for all when almost all of my software were infected by a virus that
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would have flashed my BIOS, and I believe that running linux as a
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single-user system might put me in a similar position.
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<P>I am really no expert in operative systems, and I think that people who
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are have even better arguments for why not to run linux as root, but
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this is just one way to look at it.. Running linux as root is like
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running windows/DOS, anything might happen to your computer..
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<P>/johan eriksson
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