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<h1>Re: forwarded message from Richard Stallman</h1>
<b>Milon Firikis</b> (<a href="mailto:milonf@ariadne-t.gr"><i>milonf@ariadne-t.gr</i></a>)<br>
<i>Sun, 22 Nov 1998 02:48:10 +0200</i>
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Well I give the subject some exhaustive thought and still I don't have a<br>
clear opinion but...<br>
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<i>&gt; Just what it means to make programs work well together is mainly a</i><br>
<i>&gt; practical matter that depends on what the program does. But there are</i><br>
<i>&gt; a few general principles. Certain parts of the GNU coding standards</i><br>
<i>&gt; directly affect the consistency of the whole system. These include</i><br>
<i>&gt; the standards for configuring and building a program, and the</i><br>
<i>&gt; standards for command-line options. It is important to make all GNU</i><br>
<i>&gt; programs follow these standards, where they are applicable.</i><br>
<i>&gt; </i><br>
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Building is the word keeps striking me...<br>
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What I can't tell, and I invite anyone who can, to tell me what<br>
building means...<br>
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Is this the (GNU) normal procedure of ./configure; make depend; make?<br>
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If so I am against. I object. I have a great interest to see SANE ported<br>
to win32 and I object<br>
to the use of that building scheme. While I don't have anything against<br>
the ./configure scheme it requires the existence of sh (should I say<br>
bash), and of (GNU) make. The generated makefiles do not honor the<br>
necessary conventions such as .exe suffixes and stuff like this making<br>
impossible to create a portable building system under native compiler<br>
scheme (cl, nmake).<br>
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Not being (too) unfair I understand that this is Microsoft false because<br>
it selected to differentiate its position with an incompatible {n}make<br>
and a crippled file system without execute bit in the file description<br>
making the .exe suffix a must. But for now this is the situation and we<br>
have to cope with...<br>
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SANE already utilizes the ./configure technique so all these looks<br>
like a bit irrelevant (bad timing maybe?) but should we sign also? I<br>
mean, OK we are using autoconf! Should we bound ourselves to not using<br>
anything else? Something like tmake for example<br>
(<a href="http://www.troll.no/freebies/tmake.html">http://www.troll.no/freebies/tmake.html</a>)?<br>
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This looks like a bit unfree to me...<br>
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PS<br>
Milon Firikis<br>
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I have already been implicated to a FREE project trying to be portable<br>
across win32 and UNIX and the biggest problem was not the code itself<br>
but the building scheme so I believe I know what I am saying. You are<br>
invited to prove me wrong... I would like to hear some thoughts on the<br>
subject... Or am I talking to myself here?...<br>
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