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<title>sane-devel: Re: Scanace NDA for your perusal.</title>
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<h1>Re: Scanace NDA for your perusal.</h1>
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<b>Hugo van der Kooij</b> (<a href="mailto:hvdkooij@caiw.nl"><i>hvdkooij@caiw.nl</i></a>)<br>
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<i>Sun, 7 Jun 1998 19:39:58 +0200 (CEST)</i>
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<li> <b>Next message:</b> <a href="0063.html">Oliver.Rauch@Wolfsburg.DE: "Re: Problems with CANCEL"</a>
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<li> <b>Previous message:</b> <a href="0061.html">Hugo van der Kooij: "Re: Highscreen HighScan and microtek2-backend"</a>
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<li> <b>In reply to:</b> <a href="0057.html">Rogier Wolff: "Re: Scanace NDA for your perusal."</a>
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On Sun, 7 Jun 1998, Rogier Wolff wrote:<br>
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<i>> Hugo van der Kooij wrote:</i><br>
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<i>> > </i><br>
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<i>> > On Sat, 6 Jun 1998, Dave Restall - System Administrator wrote:</i><br>
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<i>> > </i><br>
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<i>> > > Hi,</i><br>
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<i>> > > </i><br>
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<i>> > > Attached is the NDA in PDF format. Apart from it having a few minor</i><br>
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<i>> > > problems in the translation to English, it seems ok. I have a few</i><br>
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<i>> > > reservations about one of the phrases :-</i><br>
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<i>> > > </i><br>
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<i>> > > Paragraph 2 : "...Confidant will not create new or derivative works, or</i><br>
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<i>> > > manufacture on the basis of the PIE information"</i><br>
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<i>> > > </i><br>
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<i>> > > Isn't the driver a "derivative work" ?</i><br>
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<i>> > </i><br>
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<i>> > YES. In the sense that you 'manufacture' a driver based on the PIE</i><br>
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<i>> > information. The best source for this is still their legal department.</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> Hugo, (and Dave) read the NDA. This clause is meant to prevent the</i><br>
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<i>> information from spreading:</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> You claim to need the information for THIS, and then start also using</i><br>
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<i>> it for THAT. </i><br>
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Now you lost me. I mentioned two different things in two sentences. And<br>
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you make it sound like I was making one single statement.<br>
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Furthermore I stated in a previous message that it was my impression their<br>
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prime objective was to keep their engineering secrets away from the<br>
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compitition. But as Dave still seemed not sure about this I advised thim<br>
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to put the questions to PIE and let them simplify things for him.<br>
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<i>> In this case "THIS" is defined as "writing and maintaining a SANE</i><br>
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<i>> driver for the PIE scanner". (The stuff in the NDA is slightly</i><br>
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<i>> convoluted. I suggest you (Dave) propose this as a replacement) "THAT"</i><br>
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<i>> could be something like developing an NT driver for the things. Or</i><br>
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<i>> writing a driver for a competing MS product, when they have promised</i><br>
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<i>> MS not to allow that to happen. </i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> Dave, it is perfectly normal that you have a few iterations about a</i><br>
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<i>> "contract" before both parties like it. By the time they are editing</i><br>
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<i>> contracts, they are sufficiently interested that they won't back out</i><br>
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<i>> on a "hey, if I read this carefully, it prevents me from doing what we</i><br>
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<i>> agreed on I'd be doing". </i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> > Make a small list of questions they only have to answer with Yes or No and</i><br>
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<i>> > let them sort it out.</i><br>
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<i>> > </i><br>
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<i>> > The questions that pop up are:</i><br>
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<i>> > </i><br>
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<i>> > 1. May a driver be developed based on this information?</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> Yes. The paragraph before article one says so. </i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> > 2. May a third party use this driver without the author of the driver</i><br>
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<i>> > informing PIE or have that third party sign a similar NDA agreement?</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> Yes. The information that PIE gives Dave is restricted. The NDA says</i><br>
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<i>> that the purpose of PIE giving information to dave is specifically to</i><br>
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<i>> develop the SANE driver. </i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> > 3. May a third party have access to source code of this driver without</i><br>
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<i>> > the author of that driver informing PIE or have that third party sign a</i><br>
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<i>> > similar NDA agreement?</i><br>
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<i>> </i><br>
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<i>> I think Dave has talked this over with PIE. If I'd suspect that they</i><br>
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<i>> are stupid and TELL me that they really know what GPL means, but in</i><br>
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<i>> fact would be surprised if I released source code, I'd just silently</i><br>
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<i>> go ahead, and wait for "trouble". In the current world, you cannot</i><br>
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<i>> claim that you don't know what GPL is. In case that you've been</i><br>
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<i>> confronted with it you should've found out what it means and that's</i><br>
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<i>> "readily available".</i><br>
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Yes you can. I find plenty of people around that have never heard of the<br>
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GPL nor it's implications. I think you take something for granted here<br>
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which you should NOT take for granted.<br>
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hugo.<br>
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+------------------------+------------------------------+<br>
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<i> | Hugo van der Kooij | <a href="mailto:Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl">Hugo.van.der.Kooij@caiw.nl</a> |</i><br>
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<i> | Oranje Nassaustraat 16 | <a href="http://www.caiw.nl/~hvdkooij">http://www.caiw.nl/~hvdkooij</a> |</i><br>
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<i> | 3155 VJ Maasland | (De man met de rode hoed) |</i><br>
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"Computers let you make more mistakes faster than any other invention in <br>
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(Mitch Radcliffe)<br>
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